and it underscores that point i mentioned previously about big government or bigger government or a government. >> some government. >> some nonprivate sector thing. >> and i really do think that that's been an underpinning of this campaign. do we want -- do we feel we need to pitch in together, want a government helping us or willing to go it alone. it underscores that point. >> i -- 52% of the state saying it's getting better this is the other thing. i don't understand this, maybe one of you do. when asked about who cares about people like you, 62% of ohioans say obama does care, 44% say romney cares. does not care obama gets 36, romney gets 52. here's what i don't understand. if you don't think mitt romney cares about people like you why would you vote for him? >> i guess there's some doubts as the polls also show about his leadership abilities and that's an area where romney is pulling a little stronger. these polls, they get these poor people on the phone, talking and answering a bunch of questions. i mean it really is -- it starts to get a little ridiculous when you have to parse all the